Ep 57: The Participation Award (GH)

Should pastors primarily teach information or train disciples? In this Greenhouse discussion, Brian Fisher and Kyle Moody continue unpacking the themes from Episode 56 by exploring one of the central challenges facing modern discipleship. Together they examine how many churches have unintentionally adopted an educational model of spiritual growth, emphasizing information transfer while often neglecting the deeper work of transformation. The conversation explores the difference between pastors as teachers and pastors as trainers, the influence of modern church structures, and why becoming like Jesus requires more than sermons, classes, and Bible studies. Brian and Kyle also discuss apprenticeship, the role of community in formation, and why discipleship must move beyond knowledge into lived experience.